if starting with the facilitator, if if something that has been said reminds me of something that happened reminds you of something that happened in your room, you're going to say that. And that's maybe gonna remind somebody of something that happened in their room and you're just kind kind of ping pong between the rooms in that way, but open it to the floor pretty quickly as soon as we hear from maybe a couple of the facilitators. Okay, so who's ready to start? among my my facilityators All right, the the group that it was facilitating was focused on public engagement. I had a big through line in the conversation was around coreation, and that showed up in a number of the recommendations and priorities, uh, so it included um supporting communities to coreate their own large language models that sort of their needs rather than just taking their technology that provided to them, it included ideas of creating partsory governance structure that would oversee the regulation of AI, it included kreting a digital literacy or a digital fluency strategy that had two way learning objectives, and so that was that was in the through life in the entire conversation. and you're saying Cole creating, like between who. between communities who are affected by AI issues, and governments are over the central groupers. Gotcha. Okay, okay, interesting. Um, any of the other facilitators did you have something similar to that that came up in your group? Yep. Okay, I I was specificitating the uh AI and government operations. um, and uh the co creation started to emerge a little bit uh when we started in the afternoon session around action items. um I'll say the the energy of the group was, I think, quite fast and furious in a good way. uh during the morning sessionions, uh where we came up with a lot of uh good bucket areas. But when it came time to action some of those, I think that's where we felt like the momentum slowed down a little bit, but made quite a few of the areas specifically around AI and transparency around public private partnerships and around um different frameworks and governance models. There was a slight push to say, yeah, how do we do public engagement, how do we host public conversations on what are the limitations and the opportunities that exist in those areas?. Any other of the facilitators, does this remind you anything that happened in your group or or you can start with some you threat his step. Um, yep, so I was uh um at the climate un environment table. um, and we were looking at developing climate align governments and AI policy andmercial, um, through sort of crossministerial VC government looking group, but the idea was to have a kind of citizens assembly that would, um advise that group um incorporating, you know, an assembly that would be put together using um principles of equity and inclusion, um ensuring that the people affected by um the policy of the use of AI that was being mandated from the the provincial scale um, would incorporate those who are affected by it, as well as those who are putting in benefiting from it. So was that just a similar but at a larger scale, I think. Perfect. Thank you. Any other similar or different from the facilitators before the opening to the group? Yeah, um it's a really great idea, so I'm from the AIIN healthcare um breakout rooms. and we had um we did a lot of visioning, which was a really beautiful. And one of the a couple of visions was a public private partnership center for excellence AI,ify the vision, implement trials across healthcare systems, and with the proper incentives, um and really kind of like rooting ourselves in grassroots initiives and grassroots voices. And then AI supported healthcare at home and as well at AI supported healthcare, um, for preventative care. And then like looking at like insurance companies and government bodies, um, as ones that would want to bring in a lot of dialogue, so they said a couple of of these were like sent the universities role as having the dialogue to be able to speak through it a little bit further. um so, you know, there was a couple of ideas. Thank you. I did a question. Hello, I was with a uh labor table and a couple of things come to mind. One was to mention academia, partnering a game between with academia as a trusted body as we heard, but also as a source of research and information to have theory and practice come together. And then a more activist side we talked about drafting an AI bill of rights., how much m more do you want facility seem you can have more more trial.. Well, just on the there was um with AI and climate, this, you know, moves into a lot of areas business development and technology development, uh and therefore moves into the area of businesses, small to medium businesses and how they're going to be able to commercialize as well as upscale or reskill and that this connection with, you know, educational institutions was made there as well, but there could be helpful in terms of developing programs that would help people to keep help and get ahead. great. There's a lot of resonance with that and what happened, I think is the tech sector room. um, I mean, definitely that we had two of the six action items around the role of university and and tech together, so while on research and went on teaching and then teaching beyond the university and the non-accredited programs and and teaching beyond computer science, like actually making sure that these skills are there for managers and leaders and all kinds of folks so that help those is an interesting overlap and there. I've gonna open it then any other facilityators what to speak now or have another have another round. Okay, otherwise, I'm gonna open it to everybody else, so you're not probably don't need to hear from everybody, but like if there was um it's it's the kind of like if something really crystallized for you or there was a light bulb moment or something fell into place or you feel like something moved, or you just kind of saw what you were on and you're seeing with more clarity. Those would be helpful to to name as we try to make sense of our experience together, so I'll just leave it to the group to pick up the like when. I think, uh one of the biggest bees that emerged from all of the conversations we were having is what we're looking forward to and thinking in the further sessions we have of these groups is like, um bridging that gap where it's like, well, we have ideas of what we need to do, but we don't know what that road mount looks like entirely. Like we don't know who would government to connect to, for instance, or learning amongst each other, like, where those connections are outside different, individual rooms, I think there's a lot of space there that we can make good use of and future sessions together. Great. Where you're in the labor room? Okay, great. Is there anything you want to ask government based on what you just said? Lots of this. But I think the parts that, like, I don't think we can get an answer in here, but especially like, where the breakdown is between, you know, federal regulation, riulator regulation, like how to get around the passing of the buck from one armed government to the other, because the first some reason may feel that it's not their problem to solve. Like, I think that emerged often in our discussions. um and I think that is probably a huge question to just discuss here, but I'd love to hear anything about it. and and that actually more where I was thinking we'd go with this is like, it sounds like labor of folks wanna invite government into some kind of conversation. Like, you have questions for them, but also is almost like, it is the point of entry the how do we begin that conversation? great. Is there pretty in the room who knows the answer to that? Like what's the point of contact, what's the entry point for a union to to be speaking with government? I can take that question. There are you. Here. Oh, there you. Go for. I'm a researcher with aagon development anuration. I'm also going to take my government hat and put it here and talk from the perspective of a researcher slash coming to remember, what I have seen that what I've seen is if you had questions like this and you send those questions to the Bronia government, if you want to get clear pet answers, your questions need to be very specific and that size, so I would say the first step would be coming up with those questions and then reaching out you uh one or two ministers through their official email ID and that the that can be forwarded to the respective deputy ministers and little end up at the branch that will be responsible for that file. You can always ask for a meeting if the director or an execut director in charge of that portfolio, and that should get you the Gid. Perfect, that's good to know so but go through the political side and then have it come to the correct deputy minister. That is the bestal I have seen. Great. Thank you. That's that's good that knowledge, perfect. Great. Anything else that, um I wouldn't want to share what this go ahead, I mean, just just it's worth memory that the government has invested T4, into hours AI for their strategy, part of that is this 50 billion50 million Canadian AI institute safety Institute. And so it strikes me that this is a you know, that's something that hasn't been designed yet. It is still I agree much in the planning phase, so figuring out what is an intervention, like this is a trying to service some ways that the federal government can be just is more likely there is a that it will continue in the more tough down and there intentionality around that. So I would just kind of like that as just to this. Do you do you know what the pathway for that might be? positive surface things to? Well, I mean, I think that I said would be the right had department I suspect because that's where, you know, if this bill was, you know, if C 27 had passed, um, you know, this AI acted, I think gone through, it would have lived at ISIS, so I think the IS is the right department in the federal government to start that conversation, um, but maybe also public safety in some other, you know, in heritage or those are three areas, map and we're also using. probably be able to. Could you just turn on your mic so that can I hear you? There's a button in the black fire. Perfect, good. We're not sure but we think there will probably be a public consultation of an next file governments around AI if this bill doesn't pass, I guess this government was very hardily criticized for not having a public consultation on it. So if that happens, many or all the we should proceeding in a consultation. C 63 of the online Harrisville has is looking like it may actually, well, it'sitated in what is more likely to make it through part of it because it's had a more robust consultation process whereas C27. uh is looking very likely it like it's going to be let to die. and it's been again, there. so I think it's sort of on anybody who's trying to pass policy to make sure that there is this more approach... Thank you. That's helpful again. Others? all this thing on behalf of that the ecosystem group. I think, um you know, we came together's a lot, I think of the best thing we can say is everyone's a coalition of the willing, there is a tremendous amount of knowledge, capability, and energy around bringing the ecosystem in BC together in a unified way, everyone, you know, putting their hand up to help. and I think we're a really great position to do that so thank you for facilitating us, um in some, you know, interesting conversations we had. but but I think there's a lot of work to be done. You know, there, you know, BC is full of incredible talent. We've got incredible researchers, incredible startups and scale of companies, but we still don't have a brand in the world, so that's one of our initiatives, and we still need, you know, sort of a way to to fund a lot of things we're doing. So I think we walked out with the number of clear, concise oxction items we need to take to kind of drive forward. So thank you, thank your one for for coming. It was it was a lot of fun. Great, thank you. And very interestingly that our group also, I really feel like, um so AI AI network of BC and then we also stood up and said, like, we could be the next convenient, you know, some of these things we can take so that I may move out of here, it doesn't just fall away, which was very helpful I definitely feel like I, you know, I mean, past the baton or whatever or, you know, I ought to carry anything out of this. it's just really nice. Thank you for that. Great, anything else? Yes. Um, as far as, um trying to get some people in government that, uh moan, I think I'm taking, right? So he's the secretary to the cabinet and it says, artificial intelligence of this thing, he he was trying to get here. I don't think he made it. But uh he was here, uh two weeks ago and he met with some of us wanting to hear exactly, you know, what we what we think BC needs to have, you know, with ARI. So, and you surely left the room at Pacificam, which is right here, saying, let me know anything else. So, um, I think we have an opportunity to talk to, but that makes sense if you wanna if you think you wanna do that, maybe you go to Fergus and Fergus could talk to me, I could I can probably try the one chance I have to get them back and and talk to him.. Great. so so it's interesting. I mean, I think and at least in our group there was this kind of like um getting coordinated to get things onto the provinces agenda and before they' I get money and and we what we are also hearing here is like we also need to do that as a as a province. We the federal government and there's some real opportunities there that have been highlighted a couple of times now. great. Yes, go ahead and I'll count. I'd probably just say that, I think sometimes we're relying on too much on the government to take the religionable. I would concur with the gentlemen over there that I think for it was like this can help advance the conversation faster and better, um, you know, with broader stinkholders. Because I so my name is Stephen and I worked at Vancouco cell for many years, so I've been part in a large institution and I know how institutions work and we're not really set up to be that creative or nippble. So I think I would like to see some sort of concrete follow up from forms like this because we have got so many motivated people in this room, uh, but we need follow up. I mean, some sort of structure on building a lot where we're looking to create something. I think there was a in our discussion around healthcare, we talked about creating some sort of vision for or some of the low hanging fruit in terms of the value of adoption of KI and healthcare, and then looking out, what do we what steps do we need to take to Ash, you know, realize, uh, on that vision? We talked a lot of about governance. I think what we're lacking often is collective governance and we're not very good at collective governance. We're good at top down, but we don't have really good models for collective governance, um. So, yeah, our our propensity to say, which government department should we go to? You know, that's the natural thing for us to do, but I think that our colleagues and government need help in terms of solving the problem, because it just becomes, I I think, sometimes too centralized, and I think we just need some more motivated people in the in the grass root level that can coordinate efforts to produce public policy papers, that type of thing that advances word. Thank you for that. That's very helpful. and I am going in the next 15 minutes or so actually gonna come to a moment of asking you those of you in the room. um who are willing to do some of that grassrooms work, you know, and then we can do some um here, but obviously there's a lot of it that needs to be done. So there will be there will be an opportunity to put up hands for that. I don't say also in the in the tax sector room, because it is the room, um that was also a big tension, like the kind of, are you kidding me? Are we going away for a government to fix things? Like, forget that, you know, business is gonna do this, you know, so so that energy is definitely present in here, and I think that we come to is like, it also doesn't have to be either or some of us will work and do the grasss or do the business pieces and some of us will reach like both both of those areets. And this is the nice thing about the ecosystem. It's like, we actually could be doing different things that are pointing in the generally same direction without all you need to do exactly the same thing, sort of that possibility was highlighted really nicely in that room. Yeah, maybe you'll share it from the government room as well. I think there was a strong appetite for public private partnership, not at least of all, because of capital, being a major force, um, but also just in terms of a massed experience, a lot of regulation requires public sector staff to not engage with AI um, and the potential that it can offer. So it's almost like a there there's an inequality coming to the table, right, where where government or public sector staff might come to this table to collaborate and have, you know, I think the joke was like 14 minutes of use of of using AI um and the private sector coming with that much more experience, um, so there is an appetite for that collaboration as well. Yes, I. So, in the healthcare rule, a couple of interesting things, it sort of transpired towards the end of the day, one of which is the recognition that we have a new minister of health and we're about to have a new deputy minister of health, and he's been in the current one has been in place for like 12 or more years. so there's an opportunity with new people to get their investment, their intellectual investment, if you will, in a new model, which might be include public product partnership, collaboration across the health authorities and an opportunity to create a more Stevens comments around a collective impact of approach so that we can have an accountability for learning as opposed to accountability versus learning. And that those were the ideas that kind of surfaced at the end and I can I can almost see the project, you know, if we've got, say, 50 million, which is arounding here and the health care budget for each of the health authorities to implement a different kind of AI, the one that seems most appropriate for them at the time, and the Center for dialogue brings them together on a regular basis to learn from that experience, make that out of government, that learning piece, um, there's some there's some little potential there, I think for actual concrete action. It sounds like we have a proposal in the writing there.. Anything else I haven't one one maybe specific question, which is, um um, I think I one point when we had started to design this, we were thinking that we would have a specific room on racial equity, gender equity, and then would be in talking with various folks decided that that wasn't the right design that that actually should be in a lot of different rooms. I don't think it was definitely an honor room. I just wonder if there's anything that you wanna say about equity indigenous rights, like how did that those threats come into your conversations either in the indigenous perspective room or in the other rooms? I see a little bit about that. Yes. I don't spot without a microphone, somb not like want a voice, I guess. from the indigenous perspective room. wanted to pull maybe on a little bit of a a thread that we've just spoken about, governance, and leadership. our group had it was a small group, um representing a number of different foundations and we opened the day, you know, this morning, talking about, um the protocols and the lands um that were on, and and these lands come with inherent laws and you saw them practiced here today by chief in Campbell and Chris. And we're aware that a number of sectors and governments realize that you all have cause to action, um upon youth and you're all mandated to stuff in to the work to recognize and uphold the rights of indigenous peups on these traditional ancestral territories, the question is how to do that, and a few of the conversations that we had were around OCAP and the roles of responsibilities of sectors and governance to governments to understand what ownership control of access and possession means and how to build the infrastructure and mobilize solutions that honor our people's rights in this particular space. But we also talked about, you know, um and and I really want acknowledge and raise up my hands to have to have in Fergus and and the whole organizing team, because one of the things that we realized in our in our group is that we haven't had this space. um, you know, for indigenous peoples, we've talked about, uh the in equity of our access to technology. I've been having this conversation many people in this room don'tia somebody who has been in a little bit, uh pushy, but I would say aggressively helpful on the conversation of indigenous people not having the same level of access to basic technology infrastructure. This to me is times 10 times 100 times a thousand. This is exponential now what the inequity that is possible um and is actually happening right now as a result of this country um not prioritising access in indigenous and specifically for nations communities. So these types of spaces help us to surface these troops and it helps us to integrate and and and speak with each of you about what those joint solutions and what the shared vision is for us realizing what reconciliation in this country can look like what economic wellbe looks like and it helps us to educate one another um uh and and I think in our group, you know, we appreciated the space and we acknowledge that we need far more spaces, intergenerational wisdom is very important and we recognize we didn't have use in our room. We didn't have elders in our room. We were missing a number of different voices. um that really bring um wisdom and good medicine for intergenerational learning. And so I think one of the one of the outcomes was we want more of this. We want to deepen these conversations and we want to start integrating with all of the the rooms that are here to talk about how do we get to realizing our our our calls to action collectively? um and and and what does it look like to have these tools, uh, you know, be used in ways that advance indigenous sovereigy and self determination, um and are our collective um prosperity and wellness in the country. I just you so much. Um one thing that I really appreciate about what you just did Deniseces is um actually like give us something to do in this case, like coveen again, perfect, yes, we would love to. um and and I think probably there are a lot of folks in the room are like, how can I be part of writing those wrongs and and a little bit of like, do I need to wait until I'm told and I just do the thing? like that that is a tricky dance for a lot of us. So, um, yes, well whenever you're ready to tell us uh, give us marching orders, I think it's really, really appreciated. And yeah, definitely we can we can keep convening that specific conversation. Um, and and maybe feed some of the other ones also that have been happening here. Thank you. Yes. So, uh, one thing I really appreciated is the diversity of the background, so we have in the room today, and I think that's something that we don't see enough of in the provinces been uh mentioned before. And we've set up the rooms today so that they were around a particular topic areas. I would have been just as interested or in the next time to see it divided in a different way and shape it up and have different conversations. and while I think there are organizations that are dedicated to particular issues like climate or like AI, there's something unique about having an objective uh, just everybody coming together from a different perspectives and the freedom to explore in a different way. So I would almost say that I kind of prefer this environment uh when it comes to big topics like this. and idea interested in other similar topics that exploration. So a thank you for this format and then another vote on more like this. Thank you. Yes. Um I was in the climate group do and uh we were we it felt about the aquity, diversity and uh and bias perin issues with A I wasn't a direct topic of today's discussion. It's felt like it's something that really pressing and needs to be done next. So very exactly what we were talking about publicicy and and we were thinking, okay, like with climate, like, for example, radars, they're just like centered around the line where there's like the dense population like about the less um less populated areas and how is that gonna affect them and we're talking a lot that we we were like, no, less step back because this is not an immediate action. We' first to get the policies right, we need to know what needs to be there and the policy is, and then it's something that needs to come next as an immediate priority. um so it just feels like um like it's very important, but we didn't get a lot of, um maybe like a pathway to get to talk more about it. um this make very topic. so almost like at least for the climate topic, you you might need the conversation to think specifically about the intersection with actually reconciliation and all those pieces, great, good to learn that's perfect. Thank you. How did those topics show up in another room anything else do you want to add? Yes, I just wanted uh continue on the minority racial side of things because it it's important. Um I do these conferences all the time. I a lab, where it's 76% women, so always thinking about that, and because conferences are long in AI, one of the things I do is I just count the number of women in the room. uh, and you can get go, oh, look, it's four to 50. That's getting here. Um, so if we look around this room, it's it's quite amazing, so that would be the first thing to say. Then onto um so these systems were made by data sets, these data sets, it's the kind of first round of them. They were very kind of European white in how they were. I have a page of women PhT student from from China who's who's looking at at curation of art, of artwork, a lot of this these ancient Chinese scrolls and have damage to those that were looking how to do it. and we realized with some of these prompting that were prompting uh Chinese art and and japping his art. It's coming back because, hey, that's closed. and you just realize how terrible these systems are. The trouble is so the so it's all right. It was round one of it and hopefully these data sets will get better and better. But the thing that we have to think about is who's making them better and better, right now, it's the corporations just fighting with each other, and there's these known tests that they're doing. Oh, look, this one does math, you know, I got a little bit higher on math than I am. So they're not actually looking to put the broad struction of of the people around the globe into these systems, so I think it's also up to us to kind of go that's that's great that you're battling each other for for things that maybe most of us don't care about, but it's time to make this slightly more, you know, non-h white European Western and and and other attributes. So I think kind of talking to the data census is is something really important, I think governments can kind of push back on that as well. Thank you, and I think what I heard and why you said also is like, more of us need to care about this for it to become more of an agenda item for a government. Great. Anything else? yet? Um, it's from an equity land who is designing it, and then also kind of sitting in the fact that we're individualistic by nature. And so how do we make sure that we're really centering it into community and what diverse needs are? We also kind of looked at, like all voices are not present here. um all of our usage differences of health care are not present in our dialogue. And so the need to capture that. um and then young people I mean, we were talking about 20 years of visioning, but in 20 years, we need the young people to come and take those roles so we're really athirst for having um, you know, younger people in these dialogues is uh was really present. interesting. Thank you. great observation. anything else something else that came up on the climate table was the stimulation as we were all economies. um and uh, you know, that there are areas where, you know, there really is a big need for economic opportunity and development and that just the enormous energy consumption of the data centers associated with AI um, really requires renewable energy and often people have been talking about locating data centers further north because of the cooling because it's cooler up there and then there's less cooling requirements. So there was some discussion around the investment in the capital infrastructure required to make those opportunities available to remote rural and those in communities, obviously not imposing that on them, but seeing if there was opportunities that it could be taken advantage of in terms of new business opportunities and Great, thank you. Last call anything else? Yes. Three one question to the room. this morning we started by somebody in a room talking about being more specific. So and I'm wondering multiple different rooms because I think in our room, we go into a little bit of a more specific place, but I'm wondering a lot of topics and a lot of discussions that I'm hearing right now. There is a hint of specific specificity in it. However, it's also seems that it is high level so too high level. I'm just wondering how was the experience of everybody from that echo. Great, great question. anybody wants to speak to that? I mean, I'm definitely feeling like we are less specific here than we were in our smaller room. and that might be a a a function of just like making sure just saying it briefly enough that everybody can understand given how many people there are here to listen to, but uh, this is a great question. Anybody else have a view on that how much did we succeed in being specific? Uh yeah, my name is. I'm from regional District and was in the climate group and I think one of the things we talked about was focusing on building the foundation and really focusing on sort of the data compot and coming together with different agencies, identify the data set that exist in our province, specifically for climate, but I can imagine the supplies to a lot of other areas because without understanding what data is available, I think it's hard to actually use AI effectively. So I think that's kind of the step. One of the first steps for the climate side is to really bring together a lot of different groups, to try and centralize all these disparate data sets that we collect and make them accessible, not just to government entities, but to the public, to the private sector and build that foundation first. which then enables more people to do work with AI. Thank you. Can I ask Kyle um, I'm I'm having trouble understanding how that has to do with specificity or does it, or can you just say a little bit more about that? So I think that's um that's a good question. I think its specificity in the sense that, um it sounds kind of abstract, I guess, but it it's, you know, in the climate space, it's, you know, getting together all the groups that are collecting weather data across the province. um and that's a very specific thing that can happen and is happening right now. um, and it's starting to identify each of those sectors and going through that process. So I think that's a very specific action that there is a lot of people that are already working in the space. uh, that would be very quickly able to stand up a group to do that. Okay, quick, quick. So I have you in that you, you got to that level of specific, for sure. Great. I responses to this question or yes, maybe go I'll go to Paul and then I'll come back. I just gonna say it makes us rising to me that we had the ball work discussion on the general uh rather than the specific, because in the sense until we identify what the first order level of objectives are, um it becomes uh detached only to talk about uh specifics. So in our group on this work on five areas uh and they were necessarily uh broad, but I would also argue pretty crucial areaas, you know, I found government's frameworks to public private partnerships to AI transparency. And I thought that was a a worthwhile achievement even, though clearly we should now look at what the term steps could take, which would necessarily be more specific steps that advance us uh, at least partially towards those broad goals. But I thought that was uh something that would continue to work on, but I thought the identification of these first order goals was really crucial when I'm glad that it was achieved logical. Ithough there and then come to you you. Okay, thank you. Um, so just on the notion of specificity, I think, um, our group and I was I had the privilege to be in the indigenous room. We started uh to Denise's point with a realization that it's gonna be hard to be specific because this is pretty much the first conversation as such that happens, uh between members who are in that room, um, what we may have been a little bit more specific about is perhaps the outcome or some outcomes that we would like to reach, and maybe a lot less specific about how we can reach those outcomes. So as an example, just building on the notion of the infrastructure, we um we we're a little bit specific about, well, it is problematic problematic from an endigous perspective because um the infrastructure of EI is built in a colonized way, like how it behaves, how it's coloned, uh the data that's made there, uh the behavior, um it's built to be extractive, it's built to be um maybe dehumanized in a way, so we know that it is an outcome the infrastructure itself needs to be perhaps re restructured in a way that's more indigenous um, uh, I guess relevant. And in in more'sized way, but we may have been a little bit less specific about the house, so I think one of the outcomes was to maybe define the gaps in a way, um and leave it for further conversations to see how to fill those gaps. great, great. And this is very important. I mean, I think the the reality is the rooms were in really different places in terms of how advanced the conversation is. so we got very specific s some places, we we go more broad, some other places, and I just want to say, wherever you've got to is just fine. like, it's there's no correct place to have got to, obviously, but but it's interesting that that remained that that's like a tension that this this ecosystem will have to keep grappling with to to not kind of get lost in the clouds. as as the case with you. Yes, Jake? I wanted to compliment Paul's list of the work that the government group did with a couple of really specific examples, and these are in some ways actually successes that the BC government and others can that we should be applauding. So, for instance, the digital ID that the BC government has is really world leading in itsility to facilitate digital services across this province, as far ahead of any other province in this country, probably anywhere in North America, particularly because it's so public and not, for instance, powered by, you know, an Apple wallet, et cetera. I similarly think that that falls into a broader theme we were talking about digital public infrastructure that Canadian thought leadersers like David Eves, now working with Mazicado and others, have really championed around the world, but that came from here, and we can be proud of how that will actually have an impact on AI itself as the data that has generated through digital public infrastructure powers, future potential public AI projects.. It's nice to bring somewhat from Toronto to tell us how great we see it. That was very much on purpose. Thank you for that. um I have my last question, which is well actually, I' presumably in some of your rooms, um in our last conversation, there was something about who actually wanted to do this, like who's putting their hand up to move some of these things forward. Um I'm just wondering when you may actually have put up your hand or you may in your mind, put up your hand. um can I see who actually put up their hand? either in their mind or in the room? Who is who's leaving here thinking, yeah, I'm gonna be involved in some next steps. Okay, okay, great. So that is that is quite a few of you. Um, I wonder if anybody wants to speak that into the room, maybe because it's important for others to know it, if you think it's important for others to know it, just a chance to say that into the room. What are you, um what are you raising your hands for? I mean, I can partially say this because we're already doing it in my research environment. It's like built into our um grant structural already. But so it's it's not I'm just saying that as like we didn't figure this out today. but it it just so happened that it also spoke to some of the um problems in and needs that came out of the group. I was in the public engagement group. My name is Hannah. Um, so that basically is just, um thinking through co creative um public facing, workshops and get gathering place points uh to basically go to publics and gather their experiences so that we actually can have enough feedback to properly make technology that reflects what they need. Um We talked about if we're gonna be following through with the with, not four, then we really need to be making them a political conversation at every level, whether that is about governance or a public sector or private sector, that kind of thing. um or any responses that have to do with climate, like we should be talking to the publics that are also directly implicated in this. And so what we're planning to do is already, like work with Vancouver Public Libraries. So, um, in this spring we will be having a series of workshops a public night school, um that is around the subject of data fluency, so how do we support public's um giving them an underst maybe some g gifting, like sharing in and knowledge exchange, so um being in conversation with what we've learned from our research but also learning from them about um what they need, what their experiencing, and what kind of future they might imagine and how do we get there? Um so, yeah, very directly, like, uh hearing with libraries. Ama. That's great. And if this is too too intrusive don'tuts and this question, but who is thehe you're talking about beyond no. Dad is here. left. But it's um the digital democracies Institute, and it's the grand that we're all part of is called the data Fluencies Pro, and so I'm talking specifically referring to uh Dr. Gillian Russell, Siemens Shamshire. um, I mean, Wendyan is the director of the Institute. um and am I forgetting anyone?, that's great. don't take that. There' no democracies in Australia FU. I just want to make sure we, you know, have some way of holding people accountable for what Hannah just said. But it seems like that one would be easy because it's already in the in the words. Great, thanks for sharing. Yes, John. I think there are two initiatives under way that are relevant to the conversation. I was in the public engagement group and uh, I think for the last eight months, we there's been a bit of a working group examining how to develop hyrid processes that combine the best of deliberative assemilies like citizens assemblies with digital technologies. So how can we be very large scale, democratic processes that involve education, deliberation, but also are very accessible and fast. so I think this kind of innovation in the democratic space is very important if democracy is going to be able to meet AI in a in a successful attempt to government, I another initiative that is that I know I think adjacent. just by way background, I power of an organization called Othello. We do digital democracy processes and we do this for about a decade. And we reach a point we were realizing, well where the gap really is now is um data sovereignty and um the collective governance of data. And so we're launching a new anti called policy cooperative and it's essentially a way for people to participate in public consultation processes, um where their data is owned and governed by cooperative and, you know, that they can collectively monetize and share that data. I think having quality data where the rights to use, race to share, that providence is very strongly established, is going to be key to engaging AI in democratic um what we're saying. So, you know, this, uh, I think the theme of data sovereignty is very close to the key issues around AI generally, and I think also a key to the governance of AI. So those two initiatives are things that are in course and if any ways I trusted, you know, very happy to open going is great, thank you. Okay. you are basic we had time and and as much as I would love to, we're not gonna all be able to say while we're doing or are going to do. But is there any any last people, especially if there was like you came to the they not expecting to put your hand up for something and you have enthusiastically put up your hand for something, let's just hear if there's anything like that before we go yes, go ahead. Yeah, thanks for that. I appreciate it. We didn't ad bit of context. I've got a rush to get a flight to Bridge George and play the thinking about this from a perspective, I grew up on hidingide. really appreciated Denise's comments as well. And I think about this in the space of this, and I don't want it to come off overly provocative, but there's this element of in the time that this plenary has started by the time we leave AI and its impacts already changed. So that is the reality of some of the space and I appreciated the question that came over about specificity and actions as well, and it's Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, you can't know the speed and the position of a particle at the same time in AI will continue to move as we all wish we would collaborate more and have more discussions. And I say that more on a space of a challenge which is of questions rather than answers and some of the questions that I'm thinking about is I'm leaving and came in with was one of them was about how can AI serve humanity? keeping in quality and very much having worked across the First Nations communities, the digital gap has not even been filled yet. So, you know, again, reflective at these comies. How does ethical AI look like when you threw the lens of First Nations and indigenous sovereignty? So yes, sovereignty is important. However, the energy of which many of the AI centers that will be run in BC will be run off the First Nations land, much you have unseated. And so what in that last question, I'll leave it there. It's been a very good session. don't take this as a as a negative, at all this what values must guide or collective use of AI and B. And I think those are the really important. So I love that comment around on big fan of David Bian dialogue and dialogue is about questioning assumptions and and limited judgments. So it would be wonderful to have more dialogue on their friends so he asked for a hand up. That's a space I'm really interested is. What are the principles and values as opposed to getting into the technical details? And thank you to the organizers and that such a wonderful opening this morning for that session that made my day right there and just such an excellent dialogue so well data. this is what this space is for I've been in some and the fast. so thumbs out for that, but those are some of the questions I'm leaving with and hopefully, you the organizer so thank you.. Thank you. Okay, what an amazing comment to end on. It is just perfect. You brought so much together, and I I really appreciate this kind of like moving moving out of space with more questions that we are more seriously holding. and that we don't totally have answers for, but we're also not gonna forget, you, I'm just gonna drop them because they have answered. We're gonna like carry them and and and have carried them with us as we got to. Um I want you have to say something, Fergus. I mean, I feel like you could like organize this whole day and we need to hear you in inenery, um how has that been for you and where are you at? I'm glad it's over. And I'm glad it happened. Um, I think what I have to say is probably thank you, um, and also that I think there is probably never gonna be a world in which in the last planetary, everybody stood up and said, and I will do this, and then I will do this, and then we will all work together and that's that's we are a community. um but I do just want to emphasize that part of the reason we're doing this is to try to stimulate some of that and it doesn't have to only happen in this room. Um, but where we can be useful, as as of sorry, I've spoken to most of you, I should say I'm Fergus, uh, I run the dialogue on technology project. uh, at the center for dialogue. Um, where we can be useful, please reach out to us. um because today was supposed to be today we were trying to offer ourselves this kind of neutral conveners for a conversation that it felt like needed to happen. And I spoke with almost I didn't actually count, but certainly over 100 people. um and many of them in the room today, uh and consistently, it felt like people kept saying, we are the ones who are not being consulted, or some version of that. and it felt like I a collective action problem like that, um deserves a response. Um, and so this is supposed to be kind of a catalytic start to that response. Um, but we are also intent on it not ending here, um and we do not have the capacity to continue to do it over and over and over again in this way. nor would that probably be the most useful thing to do? Um as for a guy pointed to, like it needs to get way more specific, uh, and like, uh, quite a bit more, um concrete, uh and that's the direction we tried to go in today and in some rooms who got there and some we didn't and we knew that. um but we really extend uh I guess a hand to to all of you and an invitation to all of you, um to continue that with our help or not, but we're here if you want us. Um, and and uh I would be personally very, very satisfied. um if if, uh other folks as I think they certainly are folks like Rob and others, um are interested in bringing us same energy. Um, so that went longer than I thought, but really what I mean is thank you. see you. Um, I come do you want to say anything to you get? Uh, well, I I think, um, anything I put put up my hand to volunteer to do, it'll all be Fergus anyway., I'm say you know, I think we all have, um all of our organizations have things we can bring to the discussion and uh when we turn the discussion into action, we also have things we can bring. And I think the Center for dialogue is for us. one of the things that we can bring to the conversation, one of the things we can bring to the actionctions. but there are other things as well. um that that we can offer. and I guess S if you stands ready to assist. And if it's uh I don't know if I'm gonna the last word or second last word, or whatever, but I'm gonna say thank you very much to toalftown to Fergus, and to all of the staff here for making today such a great day. I actually maybe the facilitators the note takers and the folk in the center for dialect who've been it literally are in the background, though making sure the stuff like, can you just stand up for a second and we can give you a random applause? So if you no Thank you so much. I understand that there is some kind of reception outside these doors that true. Perfect. Right. um enjoy we'll see around, thanks for coming, take care of yourself.'ll see... Maybe, like, let's leave in 10 minutes, something like that. I don't really wanna hang up in the reception person look at.. If you want to hang up with the reception, yeah. Cool. Yeah, I just need to see if giving you to what?, the best I use. Um in about in about five minutes or so, I'll go get the car and just pull it kind of about front and load it up or whatever, but like get like no problem. the computer the laptop up. I think I told. I not for any particular reason, but he was like I was gonna take it oh, because he wants to add some punters or something.. I think I told him to., because it was.s... I haven't just three of them yeah, you're telling me about those. I want one, please, because what I really, I owed um Aria visit from MBI dropped hanging out with the way. fun sign to you. not like a thing, so it's like I actually want the people in the room you know here ultimately the why don't you give me those the only ones I have and you have box, right? Yeah. I'll take these all of you. I think there are all. This came out of my bag this morning, I was just I like to keep on. talking about, which ones are they can figure it out in, you know? Hi, guys. How's it going? Where were you guys looking for you? and just wrapped one minute ago. I didn't know about what where were you? Oh, you missed my part of the talk that uh that's why I was looking for you actually bye. I was assigned to the VC ecosystem room andergus needed me to be in there, but then just guys out? Hey, good, you got your birds. Good, I just there. I was looking for you. I didn't wanna touch it, but I just wanna find it.. I AI you at an I'm at, I'm definitely bringing it is like, you know lots of talking about like ideas future things and we are too, but also it's also, you know, we shared it with the world that that 30 people wanna share their data., I think that's probably very true. Like, just think about it's like in March, all the the technology stuff I mean, I'm like, that's about to be a year. I don't know, this is,.ity, all right? Oh, it it talk. Thank you very much. I really appreciate him saying goodbye to me that means so. You know, that dude.. number one man, like the line. like a. Yeah. Yeah.ltimately, at the end of the day.. sounds great. I think what time is it is a gallon, but it's like 10 15 or something like that, you they're not meeting Kay Waterman on the phone afterwards. Yeah. wants to ask about some like? Nine? Oh, no, no. whatever's in our calendar. I thought it was there. and I have to do it when it says that I put things before and Apple. I think it's more like around And I implying to Dallas on Saturday to do a podcast finding down America to talk about AI on the end. and pay me real money. and uh but I have to do with Dallas for three A to do it.,000 to you know,, I I started this year. I decided oh, I don't know we've all got to do a lot of amazing things in our lives, but every time something like, I have never been based thousand dollars to show up loan to this thing, be honest that where they've got free fancers working, and I'm the fucking person all together. I just to be like, even know you guys know me, I'm pretty serious, so I'm like, okay, now I got this boy and this thing, what do I go about and say, what is what doing saying that I' talking about from. I'm talking about your not talking about your is like yeah, so that's kind of a headspace, otherwise scared, but it's more like seriously graveling with the opposite. That's just to like half half.. is for our the world. So and you guys are a part of my, you know, closest thing face and stuff. of the things you're saying this morning, the things we talked about all the time, like like, whatever comes out is gonna be a sort of small things I care about and all the people that are inputing into me, you know, so a responibility of nothing else that you may fround where so crowd and you know. No, no, it wasn't a pol of presentation like that. It's been me out here a lot of photos and that. You didn't miss that. No., you guys..ategy. Oh, excellent. I just sent for read my recommendations with BCI. Excellent. Hopefully I'll get the Can I send them to you as well? Yeah, it go. I I'll just send them right to you, actually, right this second. These are like my little pet projects, so may I to have your number? Uh, sure, 604. 6144465. I wish you didn'tale to the December 14th, create GBI met up. You have the one with I think I have to go to the airpl transfer for the PE with my family. that might be in the area., I'm here now, they just upgraded my what is this one? That's great. congratulations, man. it was supposed to be a permanent one originally because of immigration being a problem. So like I technically it was still the PNP stuff was still like processing, so I was still technically a temporary resident. like a year after it took like a year after the defense before I was able to, like actually get it in, get that approval and then it took a year from that to, too. And the other thing I have that I think that I always say you also about grants, and it's always like, oh, next week is like I don't know what's wrong with that communication. FGI everything like even like last minute I did I get this right, sir? 604614, four four four, five, I'll send it all to you.. I I have a document that you share with you. I've known the document. At eight tier documents stud with the biggest buckets of money that are annual and going all the way down the. I also so we'reing now doing this histization, and probably a lot more more projects through innovate yet. and we're kind of trying to part of the way we're trying to solve that problem is we're trying to say you go to innovate theseC we all our problems the programs we' to be run of all our grants through it. yeah. then people know where to go. so that that's the best. Have you heard of anyone who has gotten into the year search last money that they're looking at this? I haven't. We don't actually I basically don't ever deal with that. I deal in the typ wonderful world of economic science solve you like the big the biggest strokes you can possibly imagine.. that the levels I'm digging onto, you'll see, I'm not gonna document this same. this is just my last six months of proposals that I've written around, big picture strokes and mixed with the things from today. Okay, yeah.. my reflections for today and then augment it with my proposals to scale AI, boo use, digital supercluster. RII, to having documents to point out, it's very yes. yeah. Well, I know you're developing policy and I got some stuff you all can cherry pick if you like it, so I'm. Okay, give me 10 minutes, I'm gonna have a smoke, grab the car and then I'll come in and drop some the gear. Be right back. How much was the square monitor? and why don't we get a nice stand for it? Well, he does a. it's it's a beautiful. I love it, and I want one, though we need it like a nice stand.. Do you even like a rolling one? That's right, yeah. Let's let's ask that Santa for some deep for Christmas. Santa. supposed to be on the wall usually. I know, okay. Okay, be right back. Nice to meet you, Kev.. And 300 was.